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Subject: why?
Hi, you may remember me, since I had visited your website before.you didn't have a pic of yourself then. May I ask you why you decided to add your pic ? I'll tell you why I am asking this question then. thanks
Subject: Re: why?
I added it once I had a digitized photo that could be uploaded.Is that a problem for you? I'm curious why you feel that it's your business.
Subject: Re: why?
Just want to add to the above that I've had the picture on my site for nearly six months. You really need to drop by a little more oftenAlso, I don't like guessing games or "answer my question then I'll tell you why I'm asking it". If you've got a problem with me or with how I run my blog, tell me straight out. Thanks.
Subject: Re: why?
It seemed to me that I upset you with my question; this was not my intention and I am sorry about it. I hesitated a lot before asking you this question.I have visited your website occasionally and I saw your picture months ago but was very cautious not to hurt you by anything I say.That's why I asked you first before writing anything else. I just asked you a question; it's not my buisness at all what you like to do. I was only curious to know why you have it now. Well, obviously you didn't like to answer it and this is fine. But what I was looking for in my question is that you evidently don't like your face to be seen by strange men, and that's why you have convering, but then unlike many other (if not most) blogmasters, you have posted your picture here for everyone to see, but then again, there is not much to be seen except your covering.I believe everyone should have the right to choose the way they wear (considering some red lines of course).
Subject: Re: why?
there is not much to be seen except your coveringUm, yes, that's the point. If I followed your logic that I shouldn't post up even veiled pictures because people might see the veiling, I would also have to stay inside my house 24/7 so that no one would ever see me. That's certainly not what I believe and not how I intend to live. I take an active part in my community and I believe that I can do so while still following guidelines of modesty in dress and interaction. Same with the blog.
People in my community see me just like in the picture when I go out, so how is posting a picture different from this?
I did kind of snap at you because I found your question so strange. Like I said, I put up the picture six months ago and I really wondered why in the world someone was questioning it now. I apologize for my ill-tempered remarks.
Subject: Re: why?
No, you don't have to stay indoor since you don't mind to be seen with your covering. This is what was happening under Taleban regime, but you obviously don't think like them. I didn't say that there is anything wrong with it logically, I only couldn't make a conncetion between not wanting to be seen, but having one's picture on the weblog, specially that I haven't seen the blogmaster's picture in almost all other weblogs I have visited.After all, in my opinion, actions and after it words are the only sources that can be trusted in knowing somebody.
Subject: Re: why?
I hope that the connection is clear now, inshallahI never said I didn't want to be seen. I don't want to be seen unveiled. I'm not.
I want to be up-front and let people who visit this blog have some sense of who and what I am, just as people who see me in real life do. As I said, I would have put up a picture earlier except for lack of a digitized one.
I think this, as well as limitations in blogging software, has something to do with whether or not people post up pictures of themselves. They may want to but don't have digitized photos or don't have the capability to upload them to their blog.
Subject: Re: why?
Your last comment made it clearer for me, thank you for taking your time, I want to use this new communication opportunity to continue on a question I asked you a while ago.If you remember, months ago I asked you this question:If Muslims believe that Muhammad is the last prophet but Jesus will return one day to earth; then he will be a prophet after Muhammad on earth, and your answer was that, in that case, he is not a new prophet, but the return of a previous one. Here are my questions:
1)So based on what you say, the phrase “ the last prophet” in Koran, means, the last prophet God has MADE, not the last prophet God has SENT, right?
(In other words, when Jesus returns, he will be A PROPHET AFTER MUHAMMAD ON EARTH, but the only thing is that he is not made a prophet after Muhammad, but in fact, this happened before Muhammad's time)
2) Is it possible that God ascends Jesus again and returns him again and the cycle goes on and on, or Muslims believe that it was only for one time?
3)When Jesus returns, he may write or he may talk and others will write what he recites, and the resulting writings will be SOME DIVINE WRITINGS AFTER KORAN. Do Muslims believe that there won’t be any divine BOOK after Koran, or that also there won’t be any kind of divine WRITINGS after Koran?
4) Do Muslims believe that he may change Islamic laws? If yes, how far can he go?
There’s a big dispute among Iranian Muslim scholars about Ejtehad (deriving new laws according to new situations from older laws); some believe that it should only be done in foroo (less important laws ),while others believe that it should also be done to Osool ( more important or fundamental laws of religion, like obligatory prayer and fasting and head covering). Now will Jesus have more authority than Muslim clergies , or it cannot be more than that?
5)Do Muslims believe that he will come in the same physical form he had back then?(considering the fact that it will be of no help in recognizing him, since nobody living today has seen him and there is no definite description of it in history).
6) Do Muslims believe that he should come from sky , or he also may be born again?
I stop here , it's too long already. I can't wait to read your answers.
Subject: Re: why?
Farid, please contact someone who is qualified as a scholar and extremely familiar with the hadiths and other texts relating to Jesus (a.s.) and his return. You are asking what seem to me to be a lot of hypothetical and "what if" questions that are purely speculative. I understand that these may be important in your own system of beliefs and that is why I would like to direct you to someone who is qualified to answer them from an Islamic perspective. Thanks.Subject: Re: why?
I like to know how someone like you who is a strong believer in Islam looks at this issue. I think it is an important issue for each Muslim, since the bulk of Muslim clergies I have known, don't hesitate to say that there won't be any prophet after Muhammad , but I haven't heard or read how they deal with this issue of return of Jesus.The other reason is that I am challanging my own understading, so I would know if there is anything I am missing.I have tried to contact and ask those I have thought they could help me. The fact that I also asked you is an example of it.I also liked the idea of asking my question here, since I thought you have lots of Muslim visitors, and any one of them could be a possible help. I would be grateful if you know anyone who can help me , and be kind to introduce me to him/her and an email address for that.Subject: Re: why?
I definitely hope that someone who reads this blog will be able to help you on this, inshallah. As I said previously, your questions seem to me to be in the way of hypothetical what-ifs. On almost any theological issue, you can start asking hypothetical what-ifs until you've come around to contradict yourself. Traditionally, scholars have cautioned against indulging in too much theological speculation for this very reason. Unless you have learned how to properly approach the issues, you can get lost in confusion.As I stated in my original response to you whenever that was, I do not see the return of Jesus (a.s.) as in anyway contradicting the statement that Muhammad (sAas) is the last prophet. To me, you seem to be looking for ways to show that there is a contradiction through the use of hypothetical questions and speculation. As I just said above, one can come up with a seeming contradiction in almost any theological issue by indulging in this sort of thinking.
I am not at all averse to intellectual exploration of Islamic theology and have read a number of books and articles on this topic. However, I like it to be part of gaining a better understanding of the relationship among Allah, the cosmos, and the human being. I don't feel that indulging in hypothetical questions and speculating about what-ifs really does much to advance my understanding.
I do realize and appreciate that this is an important part of your own belief system, although it is not in mine, and I hope that someone will be able to help you, inshallah.
Subject: Re: why?
I don’t think I quite understand what you mean by hypothetical questions. Isn’t a hypothetical issue what we are not sure of its certainty or truth? Now:Is it a hypothetical issue in Islam that Jesus will return someday(whenever that may be), or it is a fact known for sure to happen?(questions 1, 5, 6)
Is it hypothetical that a prophet of God will communicate with his people by writing or talking or both?(question 3)
Is it hypothetical that a prophet brings his orders or instructions in form of some laws, that either changes or modifies some older laws?
Subject: Re: why?
Farid, I'm sorry. I am obviously not explaining myself very clearly. While I respect that this issue is important to you, I am not interested in discussing it. I do not feel that exploring the hypothetical questions you have posed will benefit me.The person called "Visitor" has already decided that I am a hypocrite and a fundamentalist; perhaps you feel the same way as well. I don't know. Perhaps I am both of those. Allah knows best.
I do know that I have said several times that I am not interested in the discussion and I hope that you will respect that. Thank you.
Subject: Re: why?
Of course I respect that. I wouldn't write anything else if this was the only thing you had said in reply, but you also catogorized my questions as hypothetical and also talked about possible dangers in it. In my last comment, I only asked you about what you had meant by hypothetical questions, not about the questions themselves. Unlike the "visitor", I don't think taking pictures is forbidden in Islam for females, or probably I would have heard that they practice it in at least one Islamic place in the world, but I haven't.Subject: Re: why?
Thank you.Subject: anyone?
Anyone have any comments on the original topic of the post, namely Congressional elections this year?asalamu alaykum
asalamu alaykum,
John
Subject: Re: a Congressional endorsement
John, thanks for letting me know about that. Looks like there was some kind of server problem that ate my template. I've restored from a backup and it should be OK now, inshallah.Subject: why?
Hello, I'm visiting your website because I wanted to know what all the raucous was about? I respect you and anyone else who tries to follow a certain way of life dictated to them by a religion. Frankly, that's not for me. However, what caught my eye and the question which came to my mind was the actual image representation which is not allowed in Islam. I realize that in times of Prophet Mohammed there were no digital cameras, however, replication of imagery specially that of a female is forbidden in Islam.Subject: Re: why?
If you are not a Muslim, I wonder how you say so confidently that representation of the female form is forbidden in Islam. Do you have a source for this?As a matter of fact, many Muslims are quite strict about making images of human beings; however, an image in which the facial features are erased or in which only part of the figure is shown are OK. My picture is both. See here. This applies to all images of human beings, not just to women.
I encourage you to actually take the time to learn about Islam before you pronounce to Muslims what is or is not religiously permitted for them. Thank you.
Subject: Re: why?
How do you know that I'm not a Muslim? I was born and raised in an Islamic country and my educational background included theology, especially that of Islam. I think you're a hypocrite because from one side you're preaching and endorsing views when you're not even that familiar with them yourself. The way you become so defensive when someone asks you a simple question is even more embarassing since it seems you're on the verge of fundementalism.Subject: Re: why?
Perhaps I misunderstood your original comment. You seemed to think that the way of life that I follow is "strange" so I assumed that you were unfamiliar with it. You did not greet me with "As-salaamu alaykum", as Muslims generally do. You presented a view which you attribute to "Islam" but you have cited no source from which you got this view, and it is inconsistent with the actual views expressed by well-known Muslim scholars. I provided a link to back up my own view, which does cite to scholars.If you wish to think of me as a hypocrite and a fundamentalist, you are free to do so. You aren't the first visitor to this blog to believe that you have discovered my secret evil nature. You won't be the last. I do hope that you will take the time to browse around my site. The veiled4allah page has links to some of my posts about Islamic topics, as well as to my archives. There is also a search function if for some reason these links do not help you find what you are looking for.
Subject: never say die
Still hoping that someone will post a comment that is actually related in any way to the topic of the original entry...Subject: Re: a Congressional endorsement
Thanks, for trying, akhi. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help in trying to keep this comment thread on topic.asalamu alaykum
Subject: Re: a Congressional endorsement
I really don't understand what you hope to accomplish here. I assumed by your original comment that you were not Muslim and stated as much. You then accused me of jumping to conclusions about you so I explained the factors that led me to make that judgment. You are now claiming that I am assuming that you are Muslim? All I did was explain why I had originally assumed that you were not. An assumption that is, apparently, correct.You seem to have made certain judgments about me based on your own interpretation of what you think "Islam" is. I have explained why I do not agree with your interpretation and provided evidence for the basis of my own interpretation. You are perfectly free to believe that your own interpretation is correct; however, I request that you judge me based on what I state that I believe rather than what you assume that I believe based on your ideas about what Muslims and Islam are like.
If I tell you that I believe that all images are haram then I post an image, you are right to call me a hypocrite. However, if I tell you that I believe certain types of images are halal and I post that type of image, then my action is in line with my beliefs. Perhaps you wish to argue that my beliefs are not in line with Islam so the problem is with my calling myself a Muslim when I have divergent beliefs? For such a thing to be true, you would have to hold a very narrow idea of what Islam is and allow for only one interpretation. There is in fact a great diversity of opinion among Muslims and I'm sure that you must be aware of this coming from a predominately Muslim country.
I have noticed that certain non-Muslims have as narrow a view of what Islam is like as any fundamentalist does. I have actually been accused by certain non-Muslim visitors to this blog in the past of not being a "real Muslim" because my beliefs do not match their idea of what "real Muslims" are like. Rather than expand their understanding of Islam and Muslims to include the new information, they chose to call names. I find that very unfortunate.
I am far from perfect; I am as capable of being moody, defensive, bull-headed, witchy, and an all-around annoyance as the next person. I consider such lapses to be my own failure to live up to my values and beliefs and I try not to justify them by saying that acting in such a way is part of my religion or any such thing. If you feel that I have not only acted badly but claimed that doing so is part of my religion, then you certainly have every right to call me on it. Or if I go around proclaiming myself to be very pious and virtuous but I act badly, you have every right to call me on it. I am not aware of having ever claimed to be more than a fallible human being who sometimes falls short of the mark. If you found me saying otherwise, please let me know.
One final thing. By putting up this website, I am not forcing my beliefs onto anyone else, nor have I ever advocated in favor of doing so. I did not invite you to come here, you found it on your own. I did not make any remark directed at you that you would need to respond personally to. You chose to come here and to post a comment. By choosing to engage in dialogue with me, you have chosen to listen to what I have to say. If you don't like what I have to say and don't agree with it, I will not hold you here. You are free to go on your way and never return.
Subject: staying off the topic...
cool site... but on the subject of the pictures, it is kind of strange to see a niqaab and a picture together...not in the sense of something having to do with hijab; but in of niqaab and a picture.
i don't really know what the deen has to say about it or any of the fiqh related to it
but from the people that i know who have niqaabs they are mostly salafi and i thought the salafi 'uluma were of the opinion that pictures were in controdiction of the sunnah... i don't know... (for example I have never seen a pic of Sh. Al- Albani around the net…. If there is one, please share, I’ve always wanted a face to associate with the name)
i like the idea that everything does not have an ijmaa’ and that the deen is nice and broad
maybe i should of read the "Fiqh of Picture-Making" link before i wrote this... i'll do it now
Subject: Re: staying off the topic...
I honestly didn't realize that so many people would find it odd for a niqabi to put a picture upThe sisters who say the niqab is obligatory and who actively promote it tend to be salafis but there are also a number of niqabi sisters who aren't salafis and who don't believe niqab is obligatory, but we do think it's recommended and we like to wear it