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the politics of bloc voting

Date: December 22, 2003 | 26 Shawwal 1424 Hijriah
Subjects: analysis, bloc, vote
The political mobilization of the Muslim community in America is meant not simply to get American Muslims involved in the political process but to build a Muslim voting bloc.

Block voting is the natural strategy of a minority group seeking to advance its interests in the political sphere. It depends on the fact that in a close race, a small group can decide the winner.

Muslims need to get educated about bloc voting because it seems that a lot of people, including those in leadership positions in the community, are not clear on how it works.

Bloc voting is not something a community does just to show that it can. Bloc voting is intended as a strategy, as I said above, for advancing a group's interests. When politicians come courting, the group has to say "we'll vote for you, but only if you promise to do such-and-such". So the group has to have a clear and well-defined set of policy goals.

It should be beyond obvious that voting for the front-runner in a primary election because he's "electable" is not an effective bloc voting strategy. The power of the voting bloc is meaningless in that case. The bloc is invisible in the majority. And, more than that, the bloc has sold out for nothing. It is not voting for its interests and has not advanced them. It has not even made them known.

In the primaries, bloc voting requires delivering the bloc vote to the candidate who best represents the community's interests. It doesn't matter who else also votes for that candidate. In fact, the more closely the candidate is identified with the community and its interests, the better. The bloc of votes becomes a bloc of delegates to be wooed by the other candidates and then delivered to one of them once that candidate has made the necessary concessions.

Muslims, wake up! If we want American politicians and the American political process to listen to our views, we have to start standing up for those views ourselves. We have to start supporting candidates who stand up for those views and withholding our votes from candidates who ignore those views.

Forget about Howard Dean. The time to vote for him would be in the general election, against George Bush. After he's met with us and wooed our vote. Not now. A bloc vote for Howard Dean in the primaries is a one-way ticket to obscurity. It means our interests put back on the shelf for another four years before anyone even saw them. It means a collective voice silenced before it even spoke.

In the primaries, we must find a candidate who closely represents our interests and is willing to speak for us. We must give him our support and our vote so that he gets delegates (ideally, we should also be proportionally represented among his delegates, but let's keep it simple). At the convention, the candidate and his delegates will be our spokespeople. They will stand for us and our views as the leading candidates come seeking the support of the delegation.

There is one candidate who does represent our interests, pretty much across the board. There is one candidate who is willing to speak to us and who is willing to speak for us. His name is Dennis Kucinich and he's who we should be voting for.

For more information on Kucinich, see Muslims for Kucinich
~ Posted by Al-Muhajabah, a member of the reality-based community, at 05:35 AM

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Aziz said: Total comments: 16   gold star

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

ok, then, what exactly ARE the "clear and well-defined set of policy goals" that Muslim Ameicans need to achieve?

\are these goals in our interest as American muslims or are they intended to benefit muslims elsewhere?

and how specificallly does Kucinich meet those goals?

and hpw specifically does Dean NOT meet those goals?

I think these are essential questions that you should elucidate - right now you have very good general advice about bloc voting in general, but you provide no evidence for the specific assertion on Kucinich that follows the generality. Make a case to the anmerican muslim specifically on the issues and let's see.

~ Posted at December 22, 2003 07:15 AM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

In a previous posting, I discussed the endorsement process, and referred back to that post here. The endorsing organizations have provided their list of criteria, and I have taken that as the set of clearly-defined policy goals that I mentioned.

I have written up a case for Kucinich in response to the endorsement criteria, and it is currently available at the Muslims for Kucinich blog that I linked to. As soon as I have time, I will repost the information here. Since I did not have time earlier this morning, I provided the link to the other site so that people were not left entirely hanging. I apologize if this has inconvenienced you.

I await your case for Dean. As referenced in the previous post about the endorsement process, the only case for Dean so far presented (by Shadi Hamid) is all about Dean's electability and does nothing to address the other endorsement criteria that have been established. Since brother Shadi has failed to complete the case for Dean, perhaps you will do so instead.

Once again, I appreciate your patience and your indulgence. Thank you.

~ Posted at December 22, 2003 09:29 AM | Comment Permalink
Aziz said: Total comments: 16   gold star

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

to be honest, I dont see the need for a specific "muslim case" for Dean. I see Dean's appeal - and the neccessity of defeating Bush - as trumping any other concerns.

Regardless, you're exhorting muslims to wake up and recognize that Kucinich is the candidate that meets their needs. I did look at the M4K site but found no info on muslim-specific issues, and there wasnt any link in this post to the previous one that you refered to in your comment. no pressure, this is a good coversation and i intend to link to your post from the unofficia dean blog (where Brian Ulrich also had some comments about muslims and Dean there). ill definitely be interested when you can get these issues reposted, as it will make a good base for discussion.

~ Posted at December 22, 2003 10:01 AM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

If you are unwilling to provide a case for Dean according to the specific endorsement criteria that form the basis of this discussion, then don't be surprised if Dean is not given consideration. You are welcome to persuade Muslims to support Dean by whatever means you feel are most appropriate. However, if you want to play in this debate, you need to submit an entry. Making the case for Dean is not my job. Making the case for Kucinich is. I am also providing the background information, as a public service, but my role in this is purely partisan.

You can't have it both ways, Aziz. If you wish to dispute my argument in favor of bloc voting, you are welcome to do so. If you wish to provide an alternate criterion for selecting whom to give the bloc vote (where I've defined it as most closely representing Muslim interests), you are welcome to do so. But if you accept both the argument for bloc voting and the criterion, then you have to present your case or concede the game. I expect that you do dispute either the argument in favor of bloc voting or the criterion, in which case you should be posting about that and not worry about the rest of this.

~ Posted at December 22, 2003 12:11 PM | Comment Permalink
Tayyab said: Total comments: 6  

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

Salam Aziz,

The Muslims specific issues that Kucinich supports include:
- Ending the occupation of Iraq. He has a 90 plan day to get the UN, in and US out.
- Just peace in the Middle East.
- Total Repeal of the Patriot Act

Secondly, Islam as a religion emphazies Huqooq Al-Ibad (the rights of all of Allah's creations). That means building a society which ensures that all of its members are taken care of. That the sick are not left without healthcare, the poor don't have to go to sleep without food, the willing and able people are able to get a job with decent livable wages. Kucinich's social program is geared at building that kind of society, and is much more comprehensive than Dean's plan. I encourage you to look at the candidacy of Kucinich as a whole, as well as on issues having a direct impact on Muslims. You will find that he comes out on top consistently, Inshallah.

I also strongly believe that Kucinich is the most electable Democrat (much more so than Dean), should he win the nomination. I can back this up with some reasoning, but let's leave that as a subject for another thread.

It is important for Muslims to support Kucinich early, so that they can play an important role in helping him to get nominated. It is possible.

~ Posted at December 24, 2003 10:51 AM | Comment Permalink
Aziz said: Total comments: 16   gold star

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

But AM, you havent made the case for Kucinich yet! why should I make a case for Dean when you've assumed the burden of proof? you've said to muslims: wake up! I'm just waiting for the evidence. Its not fair pla to now insist I make a case for Dean in order to refute your assertion that muslims should vote en blocin the primary for Kucinich.

BTW I agree with the bloc argument in teh abstract, so im hardly going to disagree with your excellent formulation of it. But as I said, you followed that by an assertion without evidence. I'm waiting.

~ Posted at December 22, 2003 04:14 PM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

Give over, Aziz. There's nothing stopping you from presenting your case early, especially since you said you didn't need to wait for the specific Muslim criteria because you don't think they're necessary. Since you don't have to wait on me to post them, why not get started?

Don't yank me around, OK. You may think this is a cute little game to put me on the spot, but I am in my own poor way trying to encourage a serious debate and I would appreciate your either taking part seriously or letting someone else do so, rather than playing some game with me.

~ Posted at December 22, 2003 08:36 PM | Comment Permalink
Mama said: Total comments: 2  

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

Since so many americans don't even bother to vote because they feel it is hopeless......the goal should be to include all minority organizations and align with them....get the African Americans registered....getting people just registered to vote would be a huge undertaking. An organization, called The League of Women Voters,(they are non-partisian) does just that....join the league of women voters in your area and get involved. After the scandle in Florida over voting irregularities, volunteeers are also needed to monitor the voting process! Bush should have never won in Florida.....keep up the good work!

~ Posted at December 23, 2003 05:13 AM | Comment Permalink
Aziz said: Total comments: 16   gold star

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

AM, I have no interest in playing "gotcha" on these issues, I am being serious. I dont think Ive been inreasonable, but if you feel (for teh record, wrongly) that Im haranguing you unfairly and with insincere intent, I'll stop.

I noted your latest post and appreciate the clarification. I'll proceed with linking and analysis on my blogs accordingly. Perhaps comments are teh wrong forum for these discussions.

~ Posted at December 23, 2003 07:20 AM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: the politics of bloc voting

I don't think that you're "haranguing" me, but I did feel that we were having trouble getting to a serious debate. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I do hope that we can debate what are actually the points of difference between us, and I suspect that these are much more than Kucinich vs. Dean. I'm glad that my new post helped to clarify things, al-hamdulillah.

~ Posted at December 23, 2003 07:31 AM | Comment Permalink

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