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Subject: Re: a day long overdue
It looks like him on the TV screen, but my husband strongly believes it's not him and this is an election move on Bush's part.Did they *really* have Saddam's DNA on file to verify it's him?
My DH also made an interesting point...despite Saddam's brutality, it is inhumane to flaunt him around for public viewing, and it's stooping to the level of those whom we ourselves despise. I would agree with him, but so far the flaunting hasn't been too blatant (at least not in our media) and I do think people want to see for themselves. But sorry Dubya, it's not enough to get me to abandon Kucinich.
Zafira
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Zafira: Does your husband have any reason to think that or is he just been drinking from the conspiracy kool-aid?Subject: Re: a day long overdue
Well, given Saddam's propsensity for using look-alikes it at least makes sense to check and make sure it's the real guy. We would look pretty foolish if it turned out to be one of the stand-ins.While I agree that Zafira's husband is indulging overmuch in conspiracy theories, I do feel that this is being handled in a way for maximum political gain and that there are some questions we should be asking, particularly the ones in my original blog entry. So I guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist too. And a Bush-hater to boot.
Subject: Re: a day long overdue
Well, given Saddam's propsensity for using look-alikes it at least makes sense to check and make sure it's the real guy.A sensible idea.
some questions we should be asking
Definitely. I am not sure if the 1st question (why it took so long) is very important, but the others definitely are.
Bush-hater
I wouldn't say that I hate Bush. That is too strong an emotion for me, but I definitely don't like him and think his policies foolish and wrong.
maximum political gain
While I think there has been some effort towards political gain on Saddam's capture, I haven't seen much.
Also, my thoughts on Saddam's capture were not about the US or politics, Democrats or Republicans, rather I consider the Iraqi people and Saddam's victims to be much much more important.
Subject: Re: a day long overdue
I don't consider myself to hate Bush either (I was attempting to be ironic with that comment). I have a low opinion of his intelligence and moral character, I disagree profoundly with his political views, and a lot of his policies and actions make me angry but that's different from "hate".My perception is that the Bush Administration is playing this more for political advantage in the U.S. than out of any concern for the people of Iraq. Or that may just be the way that the media is spinning it. I've gotten to the point where I usually respond with cynicism and I think a lot of people have.
I hope that the capture will bring about good for the people of Iraq; however, I'm not sure that anything can heal the damage that Saddam caused to so many lives or that even a trial could bring about real closure. And for many other people, what matters the most is their current situtation and whether it will change for the better. And I'm not sure how much Saddam's capture will change that. Juan Cole argues convincingly that the insurgency is unlikely to end and may in fact become even worse now that people don't have to worry about Saddam coming back. So in terms of actually making things better for Iraqis right now, I'm not sure the capture will really be all that significant, contrary to how it is being portrayed.
Subject: Re: a day long overdue
The point has been made - and I can't remember where I'm afraid - that contrary to conventional wisdom Bush might be in a political trap. The media is treating this like the end of the insurgency, in keeping with the "Bush vs. Saddam" narrative they have been creating and which Bush contributed to by villianizing Saddam while ignoring the difficulties of reconstruction. Democrats are tending to take the media line, congratulating Bush on his success and sort of saying, "So now we're pretty much done, right?" They recognize nation-building is not as popular with the American people as it is with liberal interventionists or neoconservatives, and are positioning themselves to ride a wave of unpopularity as the insurgency continues. Bush himself is thus playing down the functional significance by noting that violence will continue, a caution perhaps learned after his May Day episode.I have no idea why so many people say this guarantees Bush's re-election. Even if catching Saddam does end things, old wars seldom matter in elections, as Bush '41 learned in 1992. I can't see voters going into the polls a year from now voting solely on the question of whether Saddam Hussein is in custody.
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Speaking as an "outsider" to US politics, it is very interesting to see the impact the capture of Saddam has made on the US (at least the US we get through its media) and over here in the UK. With the Hutton Inquiry damaging Blair, this has been more as a 'welcome relief', rather than as a 'fantastic success'.Regarding Bush and any political capital he may wish to gain from this: surely, and this is to anyone who is politically active, all politicians, from any part of the political spectrum, would do the same? I mean the sole aim of a politician is to win the next election. Moral and ethical issues are nice; but not that important to the Big Game that is modern politics.
But then, perhaps, that's just my political pessimism talking again.
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Subject: Re: a day long overdue
Looks like L-M said it all before I could (time zone advantage), I would echo her response.And ouch, Mr. Ajmal. Why is it so detestable to give thought to theories that would be labeled "conspiracy"? Creative people gather their ideas without judging them, and you don't know what might prove to be true in the end.
Zafira
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Why is it so detestable to give thought to theories that would be labeled "conspiracy"?Because there is a fine line between creative imagination and delusion.
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You might find people are better able to walk that fine line when you refrain from trying to push them across it.