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a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Date: September 21, 2003 | 24 Rajab 1424 Hijriah
Subjects: bloggers, friends

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From left to right, we have Natasha of Pacific Views, myself (in the veil), Lilith of A Rational Animal, Jeremy of Fantastic Planet, and Dave of Orcinus.

We had the fry cook take our picture and let's just say she should keep her day job. Jeremy adjusted the original to produce this black-and-white image, which looks halfway decent (you don't think so? you haven't seen the original lol )

Lilith was in the Seattle area on business while Natasha, Jeremy, Dave, and I live around here. We met at an International House of Pancakes for a late breakfast and talked for about two hours, largely on politics and political issues but also about blogging, journalism, family, and pets. We all had a good time, I think. I certainly did. I enjoyed meeting everybody in real life and liked talking to them. They're good people smile
~ Posted by Al-Muhajabah, a member of the reality-based community, at 08:31 PM

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Maryam said: Total comments: 13   gold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Oh wow that sounds like it was fun. I've met a few internet people "IRL" (not the least of whom was my husband) and it's weird to think how you can get to know someone through cables and computer chips.

I'm dead curious though - how do you eat pancakes with the niqab?

~ Posted at September 21, 2003 09:40 PM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Very carefully wink

Actually, I had French toast, which can be eaten with powdered sugar rather than syrup. That removed my main concern, getting syrup on the inside of the niqab. Then I just cut the food up into bite-size pieces and stick it on the fork, hold the niqab a bit forward from my face with the left hand, and bring the fork up under the niqab to my mouth with the right hand.

Eating while wearing niqab can be tricky at times, but it's certainly not impossible. I even know a niqabi sister or two who claim to be able to eat soup while wearing niqab, although I haven't tried it myself. The only real concern is getting food on the inside of the niqab, especially if you're wearing a light-colored one like I was on Sunday.

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 09:21 AM | Comment Permalink
one of the top five commentors on this blog! Zack Ajmal said: Total comments: 112   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Very interesting.

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 04:48 PM | Comment Permalink
Maryam said: Total comments: 13   gold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Ahhh I must admit I've wondered as I only vaguely know a couple of sisters who wear niqab here in Melb. When I was in Yemen I wore it briefly (my attempts at blending in were a total failure, I *still* looked like a tourist even with my complete black getup). At stands where you buy fresh juice they just automatically gave you a straw, but I was never game to try eating.

~ Posted at September 23, 2003 07:07 AM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Yes, the straw is a great help for drinking something while wearing niqab smile I keep one in my purse so that I always have it to hand.

~ Posted at September 23, 2003 08:48 AM | Comment Permalink
D.Hill said: Total comments: 1  

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Regarding your hijab.....why do you bother....seriously it is about as ugly as any garment can be and as oppressive....

And here is the kicker.........it probably isn't even Islamic......the only Quranic injunction I can find refers to women dressing modestly and covering their bosoms!! Unless you have a Sahih Hadith that I am not aware of, your veiling is unnecessary!!

Thanks

~ Posted at September 21, 2003 10:18 PM | Comment Permalink
Maryam said: Total comments: 13   gold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Nudists unite! Throw off your t-shirts and bras girls, they're oppressive. 'What... what do you mean you don't find a bra oppressive? You've just been brainwashed by the patriarchal enemy. If you knew freedom from your society imposing the male-invented bra, you'd be whipping them off in a flash and then you'd achieve true freedom.

On a more serious note. If Al-Muhajabah has the freedom to choose to wear a niqab, how is that oppressive exactly? Surely the garment has the meaning that *she* gives it, not what you or anyone else gives it. If you impose *your* own meaning on *her* garment isn't that... uh oh... oppressive?

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 05:56 AM | Comment Permalink
Brian Ulrich said: Total comments: 41   gold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

In a rather deep irony, I've discovered that hijab actually turns me on. I'd rather not explore any psychological reasons why.

~ Posted at September 23, 2003 06:08 PM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

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Look all you want, bud, you won't be seeing much

~ Posted at September 23, 2003 06:17 PM | Comment Permalink
one of the top five commentors on this blog! LauraJ said: Total comments: 17   gold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

LOL, We used to say as kids:

Your eyes may shine
Your teeth may grit
But that's as far
As you'll ever git!

Nice pic. The niqab is very becoming, too.

~ Posted at September 23, 2003 10:43 PM | Comment Permalink
Maryam said: Total comments: 13   gold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Hahaha. Well if it makes you feel any better, before I converted I used to stare at Muslim women in hijabs because I thought they looked so beautiful and feminine. They prolly thought I was staring at them b/c I thought they were oppressed hahaha.

~ Posted at September 23, 2003 09:01 PM | Comment Permalink
Kynn said: Total comments: 12   gold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Oh, very cool. I actually don't know Lilith very well, but the rest of you are among my favorite bloggers and daily reads.

--Kynn

~ Posted at September 21, 2003 11:29 PM | Comment Permalink
D. Head said: Total comments: 1  

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

To Mr. Hill,

I don't think it's meant to look particularly attractive, although from the pic it looks elegant to me.

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 03:37 AM | Comment Permalink
one of the top five commentors on this blog! Jonathan Edelstein said: Total comments: 91   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

myself (in the veil)

I never would have guessed otherwise. smile


~ Posted at September 22, 2003 08:19 AM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

For those who are genuinely curious about the basis for various types of Islamic dress, I have articles about hijab and niqab.

For those who come only to attack, Maryam's response should be sufficient. The way I choose to dress is not a threat to anyone. The only person who is inconvenienced in any way by it is myself. If I instead dressed like Marilyn Manson or some other punk or goth style, many people would no doubt find it just as bizarre but they would take it for what it is, a personal choice.

In the course of a day, I meet many people dressed in many different styles, some of which I might find bizarre or pointless. There are undoubtedly many people that I meet over the course of a day that have political or religious beliefs that I disagree with. They don't bother me and I don't bother them. That's America today.

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 09:08 AM | Comment Permalink
Zafira said: Total comments: 46   gold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

Mach'allah, more power to ya. Hats off (so to speak) your friends for their openness, I can see that they are perfectly comfortable with your chosen dress and see you as what you are...an intelligent human being. Niqab is great that way...culls out people so that the ones who stick around you are the ones with strength of character, and the ones driven away are not worth a second thought anyway.

Is that an Al-Hediya niqab you've got? It's smart-looking.

I have eaten in niqab before, with mixed results, but it is definitely doable once you get the technique down. I would add that if you are a coffee drinker, a beige niqab is very useful smile

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 10:25 AM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

The niqab and hijab set is from Desert Boutique though I believe that Al-Hediya sells similar sets. Since I don't use credit cards, the fact that Desert Boutique allows payments through PayPal (electronic transfer from my bank account) was the deciding factor.

I like what you said about finding out who your friends really are; I think it's true. You're right about the bloggers I met with, they were pretty cool with it and I value that highly. I have also had that experience when I was in school and at my internship and the place where I work. It's a reminder to all of us to look beyond the surface to the human being behind it.

There is such an amazing diversity of human experience, different races, colors, religions, cultures, and more. Those differences can be something that we learn from instead of something that we fear.

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 10:56 AM | Comment Permalink
Kynn said: Total comments: 12   gold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

You don't use credit cards -- do you have an opinion on debit cards tied to checking accounts?

--K

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 11:03 AM | Comment Permalink
moderator Al-Munaqabah said: Total comments: 996   gold stargold stargold stargold stargold star

Subject: Re: a Seattle-area bloggers meetup

There are two reasons I don't use credit cards. The first is that I find it helps me keep my finances under control because I don't buy things that I don't already have the money for. I've been pretty sparing with my use of credit cards more or less since I started working full time in 1997 (to put it in context, I didn't convert to Islam until 1999).

The other reason is religious, because of interest charges on late or partial payments. Muslims consider interest charges to be religiously prohibited. Some Muslims feel that credit cards are completely forbidden because you have to agree to pay interest to get the card in the first place; however most Muslims that I have seen feel that using credit cards is allowed as long as you always pay in full and on time so that you don't have to pay any interest. I fall into the latter group; however I feel it's best for myself to refrain from using credit cards as much as possible. As with the way I dress, this is a personal choice, a voluntary decision to live my life in a certain way to avoid harm and seek benefit.

To the best of my understanding a debit card, like PayPal, is simply an alternate way of getting money transferred from my bank account to somebody else's bank account instead of writing a check. I don't see anything wrong with it. I don't happen to have much occasion in my day-to-day life to use my debit card, but I do have one. Most of the time I write a check or pay cash.

~ Posted at September 22, 2003 11:44 AM | Comment Permalink

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