veiled4allah: speaking of brutality...

Ken said:

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Ths r nt "scd bmbrs" nd ths s nt dn t f dspr. Wht cnnt ndrstnd s why "mdrn dy rlgn" stll spprts th pgn rtl f hmn scrfc t thr gd! thght ths prctc ws rdcd t fw hd-hntr/cnnbls n th dpst jngls. Nw w hv th hgh prsts (mllh's) f wht nw pprs t b pgn rlgn ffrng hmn scrfc t llh!
cn lmst ndrstnd th sbsrvnc rqrd by th 5 dly sbjgtns t Mcc (lmst) bt gd stll rqrng hmn scrfc t pls hm!!!
ll dn n nmbrs tht pt th "brbrns" t shm!
fnd t dffclt t ndrstnd hw nyn dctd tsd mdrss, wh hs lrnd smthng thr thn vrss f th Krn, nd hs md prsnl dcsns nt drctd by n mm/Mllh/Wtchdctr cn fll nt ths trp.

Al-Munaqabah said:

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Ken, you obviously have not read anything I have written elsewhere. I do not support the killing of civilians whatsoever. I have made this clear in many places on my site. Please read what I have written before you judge me, much less my religion.

To help you on your way, you can read a recent blog entry.

And don't forget to check out Muslims Condemn Terrorism. You will find I am far from the only Muslim who feels this way.

I cannot believe you make such sweeping statements about an entire religion and 1.2 billion people when you have no knowledge about the matter.

Ken said:

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knw grt dl bt th rlgn bt my knwldg s bsd n bsrvtn f bhvrs nt n wrds tht r wrttn r spkn fr ffct bt gnrd whn ctns r tkn.
d nt blv tht ll mslms r bd r gd, nd t s nt dffrnt wth ny thr rlgn. Hwvr, whn lk t th ht, th lyng, th slf-ptty nd th bjct dsrgrd fr hmn lf xhbtd by mslms fnd nthng cmprbl n thr rlgns.
Y tlk bt th sffrng nd lss f hp tht drvs th Plstnns......... Thr r tns f mllns f ppl f thr blfs n thr rs f th wrld tht hv fr lss hp nd fr lss spprt frm th rst f th wrld thn d th Plstnns. Ths ppl hv nt rvrtd t brbrc bhvr, d nt slghtr nyn wh ds nt blv s thy d, nd r nt brght p t ht vryn nt f thr fth (r vn thr brnchs f thr wn fth).
t ds nt mttr t ll wht th Krn r th Bbl r ny thr rlgs dcmnt stts, wht mttrs s th bhvr f ths tht tht clm th rlgn s thr wn.
ll rlgns hv prblms bt th rlgn f Mhmmd s n clss by tslf. t hs fld t dvnc wth th rst f th wrld. Bhvr ccptbl n th yr 900 s nt ccptbl n th yr 2003.
Whn mllh's, wh by wrld stndrds r mng th mst gnrnt ppl n th plnt, wh (prtnd) t knw vrythng bt 1500 yr ld bk nd knw nthng f lf xtnd thr nflnc t rs thr thn rlgn nd cntrl th dly lvs f tns f mllns f fllwrs, nt dctd ngh t thnk fr thmslvs...........
Blv t r nt my cntmpt wld b th sm fr ny grp, rgrdlss f thlgy r thnc rgn f smlr bhvr s xhbtd.
f rl mslms dn't blv ths whr r thy?
r y th ln vc n th wldrnss?
Kn

Al-Munaqabah said:

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I'm sorry, Ken, but your first post came across as one of the most ignorant statements I've read in a long time. It really did.

You ask where the others are. In my previous comment, I directed you to a page that features links to more than 80 different statements by Muslim leaders, scholars, and ordinary people condemning terrorism and the killing of civilians. I hope that you will bother to read it because it ought to answer your question.

I also invite you to read through my website, especially this and this. If you don't know that Islam says the things that are mentioned on those pages, you don't know enough about it.

Ken said:

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Hw d sttmnts n th Krn ffst 50,000 Plstnns clbrtng th dths f 3000 nncnt ppl, klld n n f th mst cwrdly cts vr cmmttd n th nm r rlgn (nd thr hv bn mny vl cts cmmttd n th nms f mny rlgns). Hw bt 100,000 scrmng fntcs n gypt r Myls clbrtng th sm thng? rlgn f pc?
Hw bt thrts frm cntlss mslm rlgs "ldrs" cllng fr th cnvrsn r dth f ll nn mslms?
Fr sm rsn th tms y rfr t rmnd m f mn pprchng, smlng, shkng yr hnd.........s h prcds t stb y n th bck nd stl yr wllt!
Wrd r nly mnngfl whn th ctns r cmmnsrt wth thm.
Y my cll m gnrnt, myb m.....bt th fct tht 70% f th mslm cmmnty s lltrt (whch by tslf s nt cndmntn bt thy r ls lckng th blty t thnk fr thmslvs s wll s rd) sys smthng bt gnrnc nd bt th rlgn, nd t sn't vry gd!
Kn

Al-Munaqabah said:

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You seem to be assuming that anything that is done by any Muslim must necessarily be commanded and encouraged by Islam. It does not seem to occur to you that Muslims are quite capable of failing to live up to the commands of their religion, and indeed of violating it. The materials I directed you to show how the Muslims you have mentioned are violating the commands of Islam.

When you are willing to listen and learn with an open mind, do let me know. I would be glad to answer your questions.

ken said:

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Prhps my ntl cmmnts wr gnrnt bt nn-th-lss, stll d nt ndrstnd. Hmn scrfc hs bn cnsdrd nccptbl by mst f th wrld fr th lst 1000 yrs r mr. Hw cn th Krn pps ths bhvr nd yt t s prchd by th mllh's, chrd by th msss nd crrd t by nmls (thy cn't rlly b cnsdrd ppl) tht r bnth cntmpt?
Ths r nt sltd ncdnts. jst rd tht th ldr f Hms hs clld fr Sdm Hssn t "qp" ll hs trps wth scd bmbs t ttck th prspctv mrcn trps. blv h s ldng mllh s wll, lthgh th rtcl dd nt ndct whthr h ws spkng n hs cpcty s sprtl r trrrst ldr.
Cn y hlp m ndrstnd ths?
Kn

Al-Munaqabah said:

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OK, now we're starting to get somewhere.

First, I want to give you an example. Let's say that you were in a public place and you noticed a bomb that was about to go off. Knowing that you would die in the act, you attempted to move the bomb away from the people so that fewer of them would be killed. Everybody would consider you a hero for this act and your religion would consider you a martyr (I don't know if you're religious or not, or in what religion). From a purely technical standpoint, you did something that you knew would lead to your own death and thus "committed suicide". But obviously no one would consider your action to be suicide in the sense that we usually mean by this. And even though your religion would teach that God would reward you greatly for this action, no one would think from this that God wants "human sacrifice".

I am bringing up this example not because this is the sort of thing that's going on in Palestine, because it isn't, but to show you the proper context in which Islam talks about martyrs and people who die in God's cause. The statements you have made are so sweeping that they do not seem to allow a religion to recognize the heroism of people who genuinely die in God's cause without your calling it "human sacrifice". If you can agree that the hypothetical situation I described is an example of meritorious conduct that ought to be rewarded by God, then we can advance from here.

Second, Islam categorically forbids suicide and states that a person who commits suicide will be in Hell forever. This is the clear teaching of the Quran and of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). When I described the hypothetical situation above I said that most people would not consider this "suicide" in the sense that is usually meant by this word. Similarly, those who defend suicide bombings attempt to get around the clear ban on suicide by saying that the suicide bombings are actually meritorious acts of struggle and are not "suicide" as it is usually meant. In order to judge the truth of their claim, we have to look at the content of what they are trying to do. In my hypothetical situation, the person is trying to save the lives of others. In the case of the suicide bombing, the person is trying to kill civilians. Saving the lives of others is obviously a valid and approved action. Killing civilians, as I have mentioned in my previous comments, is forbidden by Islam. This is an invalid action that by itself will send a person to Hell forever, whether or not he killed himself in the process of it.

The point I am trying to make with what I have said is that Islam can speak of reward for those who die in God's cause without being a religion of "human sacrifice" if what is meant by dying in God's cause is a situation like the hypothetical one I described. When people claim that suicide bombers will be rewarded by God, they are twisting this teaching and trying to claim that God will reward them for killing civilians. This is contrary to the teachings of Islam as I have already stated.

Here is a webpage that contains some rulings by scholars that condemn suicide bombings. The scholars in question are and have been the most prominent Islamic scholars in Saudi Arabia.

Having said all this I want to get back to some other things you said. You have made a variety of claims like that 50,000 Palestinians cheered the 9/11 attacks, or 100,000 people elsewhere. I have never seen any reports of this. Could you provide a source for your claims please? Thank you.

ken said:

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snt rthr lngthy rply t yr lst ntry bt fr sm rsn t ws nt pstd. wll rpt t s bst cn rcll.
blv tht w r gttng smwhr, bt sspct w ch hv dffrnt vsn f "smwhr".
Y sy tht mrtyr's r ppl wh d n Gd's Cs, bt y prcdd tht wth cmmnt tht th bmbrs wr vltng Gd's lw by kllng cvlns. Thrfr thy r nt mrtyrs, bt mrdrrs cndmnd t Hll rthr thn t n ftrlf wth n ntrdctn by 72 vrgns. S wht s rlly hppnng s tht th rlgs ldrs r sndng th (prmrly) yng mmbrs f thr "cngrgtns" strght t Hll, wht pprs t m t b n dd scndry vctn fr rlgs ldrs.
Dng smthng tht MY ld t yr wn dth whl tryng t sv thrs s n n wy rltd t strppng n bmb wth th NTNTN f kllng yrslf nd s mny nncnt nn-cmbtnts (f ll rcs nd rlgns) s pssbl.
f ths ctns tht r dvctd, spprtd nd drctd by rlgs ldrs r n drct vltn f th Qrnc dgm, why r ths rlgs ldrs nt strppd f thr thrty nd "xcmmnctd"? nstd thy gn stts wthn th cmmnty. s mnr cntrdctn hr, f wht y r tllng m s ccrt.
Th rlgn pprs t lck n hrrchy rspnsbl fr rmvng mpstrs frm pstns f rlgs thrty. t ls pprs tht mny f th rlgs ldrs r th mst ndctd mmbrs f th fth. Thy my hv mmrzd th Qrn bt thy rllng knw nthng f lf yt thy r drctng th lvs f thr fllwrs.
f ths s nt blsphmy, wht s?
n rgrd t yr lst rqst, plgz, cnnt gv spcfc qt. d rcll vry clrly wtchng vd frm Gz (bfr Nbl Lrt rft sht thm dwn) shwng thsnds clbrtng th mrdrs. Th vd frm Mlys ws vn mr mprssv s fr s nmbr f prtcpnts. Gvn th tttd rvld n th "strt" n gypt, Syr, Sd rb, tc., fnd t hrd t mgn tr bng shd, nlss n prvt.
Kn

Al-Munaqabah said:

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Ken, could you do me a favor and read my previous comment again? I'm pretty sure that I stated clearly that the hypothetical situation I described is not what's going on in Palestine, and that I explained why I was using it. I'm pretty sure that I addressed the points you are continuing to make about suicide bombing. However, it is possible that my words are clear only to me and that I need to rephrase myself.

That being said, you now seem to have moved on to another criticism entirely, which is the lack of a formal hierarchy in Islam. Just to start with, you are aware, aren't you, that this is something that Islam shares with Protestant Christianity and with several other religions?

Islam does not have a clergy in the same way that Christianity does. The situation is more similar to Judaism. In Judaism, rabbis are primarily religious scholars who are present to answer questions about the implementation of the religion in everyday life. They generally do lead the prayer services, but it is not required for the prayer leader to be a rabbi; an ordinary person may do so as long as he knows the prayers by heart. This is the situation in Islam as well. The mullahs or ulama are primarily religious scholars who are present to answer questions about the implementation of the religion in everyday life. They generally do lead the prayer services, but it is not required for the prayer leader to be a mullah, an ordinary person may do so as long as he knows the prayers by heart.

Both religions believe that there does not need to be any intermediary between the human being and God. That is, there is no need for a special "priest" to take part in the religious rituals, each believer can complete the rituals by himself or herself.

What hierarchical structures there are, exist as a voluntary association to help people work together. They are generally limited to one particular country and are independent of the structures that exist in other countries. There may be political issues between two countries that inhibit the groups from working together.

I agree with you that the religious scholars of Islam definitely need to work together better across national borders and to exercise influence against imposters and corrupters. A lot of Muslims would like to see this as well. But if you want to create some sort of Islamic papacy, that isn't likely to work because it goes against the very way that Islam sees the relationship between man and God. What would be better is to look at how other religions with a similar lack of hierarchy, such as Judaism or Protestant Christianity, have resolved problems and how to import these solutions into the Muslim world.

Finally, I can only say that nearly all Muslims that I have talked to in the last year believe that the 9/11 attacks were a terrible atrocity and they do not in any way support or approve of what happened. Many Muslims do however believe that America's response is wrong. Are you absolutely sure that these vast crowds you remember seeing were definitely cheering and calling for the death of more Americans? Are you absolutely sure that they were not demonstrating in anger against something else?

You know, it is quite possible to wholeheartedly condemn the 9/11 attacks and at the same time disagree with American foreign policy. America does not have some sort of divine protection that makes its every action infallible. The fact that someone disagrees with American policy does not mean that they support what happened on 9/11.

ken said:

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gss dn't knw xctly tht th crwds wr chrng 911 bt snc thy wr brnng th mrcn flg nd ffgy's f ncl Sm, gss rshd t jdgmnt.
r y ttmptng t mply tht thr s nt strng, ctlly vrwhlmng, dslk f th S n th rb/Mslm wrld? cn't rmmbr rdng sngl rtcl frm tht r tht dd nythng thr thn ttmpt t plc th blm fr 911 n th S nd ts plcs. vn th pprncs f CR nd thr mslm spksprsns hr n th S hv s thr mn gnd cmplnng bt dscrmntn gnst mslms hr nd scndry gnd f xplnng tht 911 ws wrng bt S plcy shld.............

dd rd nd ndrstnd yr cmmnts sprtng dyng n Gd's cs frm th ctns f th bmbrs, nd gr. stll dn't ndrstnd hw, wht th bmbrs r dng ndr th spcs f th mllhs s nt hmn scrfc. Thy r bng snt t thr dths n cntrvntn f th rls f slm. Thy r gng wllflly, nt bcs f wht thy r chvng n rth, bt bcs thy wll nw hv th pprtnty t dfl 72 vrgns pn thr dms nd ntcptd rrvl n th ftrwrld.
Yr xplntn, hwvr, ndcts tht th bmbrs r n fr rthr nplsnt srprs t th nd f thr jrny s thy fnd thmslvs n hll nstd f hvn.
Lst bt nt lst, ws nt lkng fr sprm rlr n th Mslm rlgn, jst sm src f rsn tht wld vrrd th tchng f ht nd kllng n th mdrsss nd th msqs.

Y cn cndm 911 nd dsgr wth mrcn plcy bt thr shld b n "bts" tht sggst tht chng n plcy cld hv prvntd th vnt. r w sppsd t d vrythng vryn ls wnts s t d r rsk bng ttckd? dn't gr wth lt f th plcs f mst f th cntrs n th mddl st nd t dd nt ccr t m t kll svrl thsnd f thr ctzns t mk thm s th rrr f thr wys!
Kn

Al-Munaqabah said:

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Let me tell you what I think. There is no "justification" for what happened on September 11. It was wrong. Period. No matter what the U.S. has done, even if it had done the same thing to somebody else, that does not make it right to do that to the U.S. The people who committed that atrocity will burn in Hell forever. I say that without reservation.

That being said, I do believe that U.S. policy in the past and at the present is wrong-headed. I believe that it has led to injustice being done and for that reason I want to see it changed. Not because that will somehow protect us from terrorism. But because, in my view, it's the right thing to do. I also think that a just foreign policy will reduce the likelihood of terrorist attacks. More than that, it will reduce the level of support for terrorism. There also needs to be political reform throughout most of the Muslim world, but I believe that a change in U.S. policy would be a positive step in the right direction and a significant step towards marginalizing as extremists those who advocate for violence. At the same time, we can also work for the political reform that I mentioned.

Ken, I want to thank you for what has proved to be a stimulating dialog. It's good for me to have to justify my beliefs and positions against criticism. And I hope that you've learned something too so that it's been of benefit to us both. I'm pretty sure that there are lots of issues on which we will never agree. But as long as we are willing to listen to each other, we have built a bridge of understanding.

Ken said:

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t hs bn ntrstng. stll dn't s hw s mny rlgs ldrs nd prprtdly rlgs ppl cn snd thr yng t blw thmslvs p, bt t s tm t mv n.
(ntrmdt PS: t hs nthng t d wth pvrty r dsprtn. Thr r pprxmtly 2 blln ppl n th wrld lvng n pvrty nd dsprtn nd th nly ns blwng thmslvs nd nncnt cvlns p r th Plstnns nd l Qd mmbrs).
bvsly knw lttl f rlgn, bynd cmmnt md by rlgn nstrctr whn ws n hgh schl.
"Whn th lst brck frm th lst chrch (syngg, msq) flls n th hd f th lst prchr (rbb, mllh) th wrld wll b fr bttr plc t lv)." hv sn nthng yt t prv tht sttmnt nccrt.
Tht bng sd, wll rtrn, m ntrstd n wht y s s "wrng" wth mrcn frgn plcy.
wll pck tht p n n f yr thr psts.
Gd lck wth yr lgl trnng.
Kn

Al-Munaqabah said:

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Actually, suicide bombing is also used as a tactic by Sri Lanka's Tamil Tigers, who are Hindus, not Muslims. According to the article, the Tigers have used this tactic since the 1980s. A search on Google for suicide bombings and Sri Lanka turned up a lot of results. According to this report, two thirds of all suicide bombings in the world are carried out by the Tamil Tigers, and Sri Lanka has seen more suicide bombings than any other country.

Historically, of course, there are the Kamikazes of Japan, whose role in WWII is famous.

You seem to be focusing on "poverty and desperation"; my post was intended to draw attention to brutal tactics used by the Israeli Defense Forces. Yes, there are billions of desperately poor people, but most of them are not under a brutal military occupation. That's the very point I was trying to make.

My own focus is less on the suicide aspect and more on the question of who is being targeted. The suicide bombings are horrific not because the bomber killed himself, but because his targets were civilians. Here is an article that discusses whether a focus like yours on the suicide aspect is correct and aruges that it is not.

ken said:

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Fr sm rsn fnd t dffclt t blv tht th "brtl ccptn" by srl s ny mr "brtl" nd (prbbly mch lss s) thn lvng ndr th vrg rq, rnn, Syrn, Lybn, gyptn...............rgm.
ls sm t rcll tht srl rmvd ll trps frm srl trrtry ccpd by Plstnns n Gz nd th Wst Bnk, n th cndtn tht thy wld prvd thr wn scrty nd nt prmt rndm trrrst ttcks gnst srl. RCCPTN dd nt ccr ntl Yssr rfss strtd t kll srl ctzns gn.
Kn

Al-Munaqabah said:

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Before I answer your question, a few points for you, Ken.

First, I notice that you put "brutal occupation" in quotes. It sounds like you are unsure about it. Perhaps you may wish to read the reports of some human rights organizations about Israel's conduct. This includes torture, assassination, killing of civilians, house demolitions, severe curfews of entire populations, and the like.

Second, your argument is that the re-occupation is justified by Palestinian terrorist activity. Do you consider the killing of civilians and the collective punishment of an entire people for the acts of a few to be a justifiable response to terrorism? Could you explain how that's different from the views of the Palestinian terrorists? You seem to be saying "Palestinians kill Israeli civlians, therefore it's OK if the IDF kills Palestinian civilians". The Palestinian terrorists do what they do because they say, "Israelis kill Palestinian civilians, therefore it's OK if we kill Israeli civilians".

As I have said over and over and over again, I condemn the killing of civilians by Muslims. I also condemn the killing of civilians by others. Israel is not just punishing people who commit terrorist attacks, it is punishing an entire population. That is wrong. Suicide bombing is wrong, and so is what Israel is doing. I consider my beliefs to be completely consistent. Wrong is wrong, whoever does it. You seem to condemn one side while thinking that what the other side is doing is OK. Is that consistently moral?

I would appreciate hearing your views on these questions before we move ahead to who exactly started the latest intifada and who is keeping it going.

ken said:

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T bgn wth, mst f th "Hmn Rghts" rgnztns fll nt th sm clssfctn s th ntd Ntns. Th r rn nd stffd by grp f brcrts tht s mr ntrstd n cntnng thr txpyr spprtd py nd bnfts nd prjctng thr wn ds thn thy r n dlng wth th trth.
vn ths grps, wh prnncd "msscrs" n Jnn nd lswhr wr frcd t t thr wn ls whn rlstc nvstgtn ws dn.
Thy spprt mntns fctrs n Gz. Thr mplys dmnd sx frm 10 yr ld bys nd grls bfr prvdng fd nd mdcl cr, thy hv trnd th Plstnns nt grp f bggrs dpndnt n th rst f th wrld fr thr spprt nd wnt t kp Sdm Hssn n pwr bcs thy gt prcnt f hs l rvns t dmnstr th N prgrms t prvd d t rq.
Thy dscrb th S s th wrld's mst rprssv gvrnmnt. Thy d nthng n Zr, nc th mst prdctv grcltrl cntry n frc whch s nw xpctng 5,000,000 mlln dths d t strvtn......bcs thr "Prsdnt" cnfsctd th frms nd trnd thm vr t hs frnds. cld g n fr pgs bt gt t rrttd by ths dsgstng lttl brcrts t cntn............... Mst f ths grps hv s lttl crdblty tht, f thy sttd tht th sn cms p n th st, wld wndr why hd blvd tht l fr s lng.

Shld th ppl n "Plstn" sffr fr th rrrs f fw?
Pls! Shld th Grmn ppl hv sffrd fr th rrrs f th Nz prty? Th Rssn ppl fr th rrrs f thr prvs cmmnst ldrs? Th ldrs tk th ppl wth thm nd th Plstnns hv ldrshp tht rnks rght p thr wth Htlr, Stln, Km Jng l, tc. Th ppl ddn't stp th Nz's r th cmmnsts ny mr thn th Plstnns n th Wst Bnk r stppng th ttcks n srl. Shld th Wstrn wrld hv wtd ntl Htlr chngd hs thnkng?
nd, lt s pt smthng ls nt prspctv, f th rltv pwr pstns f srl nd th Plstnns wr rvrsd thr wld nt b lvng Jw wthn 1000 mls f srl (r prbbly nywhr).
Th Plstnns r sffrng bt wtht th hmntrn rstrnt tht srl hs shwn t cld b 100 tms wrs.
Frm prsnl pstn whn s 5000 Plstnns wth msks, frng rfls nt th r, chrng fr Sdm Hssn nd thrtnng t ttck mrcns nywhr nd vrywhr f rq s ttckd my "sympthy qtnt" fr thm nd thr cs drps ff th scl.
Whn th wr wth rq s cmpltd t wll b sy t dcmnt tht th wr csd fr fwr rq dths thn Sdm Hssn ws rspnsbl fr n ny gvn yr f hs "ldrshp".
hv lwys bn pzzld hw 6 mlln Jws cn snd 1.2 Blln Mslms nt stt f frnzy, ht nd fr. spclly whn 1.1 blln f thm hv nvr sn Jw xcpt n tlvsn.
Kn

Al-Munaqabah said:

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Ken, I had thought that maybe we were getting somewhere but after your last response I do not see any point in continuing this discussion.

I have tried to present you with information from objective non-Muslim sources, but you respond with sweeping generalizations and stereotypes. I have asked you to see the good and the bad on both sides but you seem to see only the good when it comes to your side and only the bad when it comes to the other side.

If you are ever ready to discuss this issue with an open mind and to try and see Muslims and Arabs as individual human beings with thoughts and motivations like your own, you are welcome to come back. For now your mind is made up and you are not interested in anything that I have to say or in any information that I might present. If it doesn't agree with how you see things, you say it must be false. I do not see a point in further wasting my time.

ken said:

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Prhps y r rght. dmt t sm xggrtn nd gnrlztn bt blv tht th fndtn f my sttmnts s nt rftbl, t lst by ny rgmnts prsntd ths fr. ls tnd t gt crrd wy nd pprch t mny tms t nc nstd f prsng sngl tpc n grtr dpth.
Jst t gv y sm d tht t s nt prjdc bt stdy nd rsrch tht lds t my pstn n mny f th tms prvsly mntnd, n f th grps tht hv th grtst rspct fr t th prsnt tm s th ctzns f rn. Thy r mkng vlnt ffrt t pt thr rlgn bck nt ts prpr plc n thr lvs. nc thy hv scccdd sspct tht thy wll b n lss dvt mslms thn thy r nw bt wll b th frst n ln t wlcm thm bck t th rl wrld.
s sttd prvsly, lk t ctns, nt wrds. Yr mny rfrncs t rtcls nd th Qrn r fn bt wht s n th strt tlls m tht thr r mny Mslms wh nd t rd th Qrn mch mr thn d, f t css thm t rflct n thr crrnt ctns nd mk drstc chngs.
nfrtntly fr ll cncrnd d nt s ny cnstrctv prgrss ntl smn, xprncs n vrwhlmng mltry dft nd tht wll nt b th S.
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Tim said:

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Chief Imam Abdel-Razzaq, in his sermon which was broadcast on Iraqi government television, said this: "It is the duty of Muslims today, Iraqi and others, to threaten American interests, wherever they are, to set them on fire and sink their ships. This is jihad in the name of God. Oh God, make Bush and Blair drown."
What a nice guy. He must like Saddam's control of Iraq.

Robert said:

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I live in a country that has thousands of reasons to be thankful, grateful to America. Every young life that was lost to give us back our FREEDOM we treasure and remember. America’s ability and willingness to offer a home and hope to so many people from so many countries and religions earns respect and admiration from the whole world. This very weblog is a living testament to your greatness and tolerance. The trouble is the world has lost faith in your politicians, they never keep their promises. It seems as though Republicans always start a war somewhere as soon as they come to power, Democrats forget everything the previous regime ever said. Even today the pledge of restoring Iraq’s freedom sounds hollow when the only viable opposition to Saddam is sidelined in favour of a military ( Pentagon) administration …. For a few years. The poor oppressed people of Iraq can choose to live and die under the guns of Saddam or those of Bush. So the only change in American policy that would be of any help, would be to one that can be trusted and would last past the midterm elections

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