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Political observers often have wondered why Democrats, especially liberals, didn't put up more of a fight against the Patriot Act, which passed the Senate with only one dissenting vote. Many thought it was because Dems didn't have the guts to stand up, and were afraid both to look unpatriotic and to risk defeat at the hands of the mighty Bush. But there may be another reason: The Patriot Act enhances major incursions into civil liberties that were sponsored by Bill Clinton in 1994 and 1996, including the setting up of secret courts and the launch of mass deportations. (link)All comments are copyright their authors
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Subject: Re: Power Over the People
The provisions of the "Patriot" Act that don't expand on existing laws were also originally proposed by the Clinton administration. For example, there was a proposal called "know your customer" where banks were supposed to spy on their customers for the Feds--it was defeated late in the Clinton administration when word leaked out and there was a tremendous outcry against it. It came back in the "Patriot" Act, only now it applies to all businesses and not just banks. There's a bunch of other stuff aimed at destroying financial privacy where the story is the same.
I think if Gore had won, the only difference would be that the conquest of Iraq would have happened with UN approval.
Sometimes I wonder if the hatred that Democratic partisans show towards Bush isn't really jealousy that he's been able to get away with so much that Clinton tried and failed to do.
Subject: Re: Power Over the People
You know, Ken, your constant bashing of all Democrats is getting tiresome.I don't hate Bush but I hate his warmongering and fearmongering policies. The same goes for most progressives that I know. You got a problem with that, tough luck.
Subject: Re: Power Over the People
I'm a bit puzzled. My comment was agreeing with your post, and providing some additional information about the "Patriot" Act. You seem to be objecting to something I didn't say, and I can't quite figure out what it is you think I said...Subject: Re: Power Over the People
Perhaps I misunderstood you and if so I apologize. You referred to Democrats as hating Bush because they wanted Clinton to do those things instead. As you must be aware, I intend to vote Democratic and am a strong supporter of at least one Democratic candidate (Kucinich). That would seem to make me a "Democratic partisan". Your statement is certainly not true of me nor of most Democrats that I know. As I said, you would do better to stop making sweeping generalizations.And perhaps you meant that hating Bush's policies is not necessarily a bad thing (which your comment taken by itself seems to imply) but one should hate them for the right reason.
Subject: Re: Power Over the People
By "Democratic (or Republican) partisan," I mean those people who automatically support a politician based entirely on his party membership, and who parrot the current party line faithfully--even when the party line has changed 180 degrees from what they were parroting before the last election. Since you were criticizing Clinton, you certainly aren't one of them.
You're right, I do mean that people should hate Bush's policies for the right reason. Of course, people can hate them for any reason they like and it will still help to get rid of Bush, but if they have the wrong reasons that just makes it more likely that the policies will continue under his replacement.
Subject: Re: Power Over the People
Thanks for clarifying, Ken. It looks like we're more or less in agreement after all, then.Subject: Re: Power Over the People
I am from North Carolina and reading about D.A. Wilson scares and angers me. Americans are afraid of another attack and this fear is allowing the government too much power. I do not want the government to twist the law. The Patriot Act gives the government too much power and allows people such as Wilson to wrongfully prosecute. Hopefully the democratic canidates will loudly fight against the Patriot Act.Subject: Re: Power Over the People
Jessica, Dennis Kucinich has promised to repeal the Patriot Act if elected. He voted against it in the House and, not waiting for next year, is planning to introduce a bill this September to roll back a large part of the Patriot Act.I think that most of the other candidates have criticized parts of it but I am not aware that any of them have made a commitment to rolling any of it back or repealing it.
This is one of the significant reasons why I support Kucinich for president